Dear Veterans
Letter to PM, RM and the three Chiefs dated 25 Sep 2012 regarding OROP
: Misleading Announcement by the Govt is circulated herewith for information
and further dissemination please.
With Regards,
Yours Sincerely,
Maj Gen (Retd) Satbir Singh, SM
Vice Chairman Indian ESM Movement
Mobile: 9312404269, 0124-4110570
Email: satbirsm@gmail.com
To
Date: 25 Sep 2012
Dr. Manmohan Singh
Hon’ble Prime Minister of
India
10 Parliament House
New Delhi – 110011
OROP: MISLEADING
ANNOUNCEMENT BY THE GOVT
Hon’ble Prime Minister,
1. The grandiose announcement by the Govt
that One Rank One Pension has been approved by the Cabinet was met with lot
relief by the Ex servicemen who have been agitating for its acceptance for more
than 30 years. However,
this sense of relief was short lived as the details of the decision unfolded
and our fears brought before you vide our letter dated 18 Jul 2012 became a
reality (Copy of the letter enclosed). What
has been given, albeit grudgingly, does not even meet the provision of the
Armed Forces Tribunal Judgements in favour the Defence Personnel which is effective from 01.01.2006. This
decision is from a prospective date.
2. Sir, OROP even at the risk of
repetition, is “Defence
Personnel with the same rank and same length of service must draw the same
pension irrespective of the date of retirement and any future enhancement would
be automatically granted to them”. This
also means that no senior defence person should ever draw pension less than his
junior. Sir, It further means “Removal of the Gap”and not Bridging the Gap. To illustrate, a Sepoy, Naik and
Havlidar have been given an increase of only Rs 400 per month, whereas a Sepoy
who retired on 31.01.2012 draws approx Rs 4000/- more than those retired prior
to 2006. Similarly, major
disparity still exists in the officer ranks. This, we feel, is primarily due to
non inclusion of members from Defence Personnel in the committee headed by the
Cabinet Secretary, a request which the three Chiefs made to the Raksha Mantri
but was not accepted.
3. Sir, the Ex servicemen expect the Govt
to do Justice to them. This announcement has further disillusioned the Ex
Servicemen fraternity who have decided to intensify their protest in a
dignified manner on All India basis.
With
Regards, Yours Sincerely,
Jai Hind
Maj Gen
(Retd) Satbir Singh,
SM
Vice Chairman Indian Ex Servicemen
Movement
Mobile: 9312404269, 0124-411057
Mobile: 9312404269, 0124-411057
Email:satbirsm@yahoo.com,
Copy to :-
Shri A.K. Antony
Defence Minister
104, South Block
13, Parliament House New Delhi – 110001
Gen Bikram Singh, - With a
PVSM, UYSM, AVSM, SM, VSM, ADC take up the issue with the
Chief of the Army Staff Govt to get our due Justice
Integrated HQs of Armed Forces (Army)
South Block, New Delhi-110011
Integrated HQs of Armed Forces (Army)
South Block, New Delhi-110011
Admiral Nirmal Kumar Verma,
PVSM, AVSM, ADC
Chairman Chiefs of Staff Committee - do -
Chief of the Naval Staff
Integrated HQs of Armed Forces (Navy)
South Block, New Delhi-110011
Air Chief Marshal Norman Anil Kumar Browne
PVSM, AVSM, VM
Chief of the Air Staff - do -
Integrated HQs of Armed Forces (Air Force)
Vayu Bhawan, New Delhi-110011
Sir NOTHING IS MENTIONED ABOUT HONORARY COMMISSIONED OFFICERS>CAN SOME ONE PUT SOME LIGHT ON THIS ?THANKS AND GOD BLESS
ReplyDeleteThe strangest thing is while there's this hope amongst ESMs that the disparities across decades and several CPCs would somehow be rationalised, the powers that be have not addressed a disparity in pensions separated by a mere month for the same class of Officers, with equivalent service and within the span of the same pay-commission as pointed out here
ReplyDeleteIt is not understood why the entire English print and TV media are projecting the "One Rank One Pension" having been implemented. This is pure misinformation by the corrupt media who are always hand-inglove with the power brokers of Dilli.
ReplyDeleteFurther, despite the world having moveed far enough with the rise of Facebook, Twitter and domain expertise , IT IS NOT YET UNDERSTOOD WHY ALL MATTERS PERTAINING TO THE ARMED FORCES OF INDIA HAVE TO BE UNDERTAKEN BY BUREAUCRATS WHOOSE ONLY CLAIM TO BEING INTELLIGENT IS HAVING PASSED A BORING ENTRANCE TEST. THE BUREAUCRATS ARE TOTALLY OUT OF SYNC WITH TODAYS WORLD AND THEIR SKULL DUGGERY AND TOM FOOLERY WILL NOT LONGER WORK!"
All over the world, experts are appointed to do a piece of work, electrical enginners do their bit of work and economits like the Chief Economic Advisor to India, Mr. Raghuraman are hired by the people of India (through the their representative "The Government of India" to handle our ecenomy better.
In the HR (Human Resources) world and the Indian Armed Forces theri are domain specialists who rpecisely know the issues of "One Rank One Pension" and yet they are systematically sidetracked. All these years.
Compare that with our masters who get themselves employed by the People of India (through a foggy elections of course!) and grant themesleves life-time pensions with a few days of work. Compae that to that of a soldier ( who is not less than a sandhu or a faqir who dedicates his life for a the quisling fools to get a few bread crumbs at the end of his service tenure - which is a long one - compounded by the fact that he has to leave early at a relatively young age and becomes a useless commodity to a heartless society that is India.
But in this Hindoostan the Indian Armed Forces have been a gift by the Britishers and to preserve this last bastion the current crop of Chandra Gupta Mauryas and Chankyas (Kautilyas ) of Dilli have to take a stock - whether to go the road the Nandas of Magadh took or something similar to the era of of the Mauryas in Patliputra many eons back. They should read Arthashashtra ( the ancient book by Chanakya and followed as the standard read for many countries around the aworld and India's adversaries as well) first before attempting anything else like modern day economic juggling as a means to fool the people.
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One hopes that the world media and the British media to take notice of this. Their is a book "An Indian Summer" written by an Oxford historian by the name of Alexa Von Tuzelmann. Read that and see todays India in that context.
Armoredfish
FOR KIND ATTENTION MADAM SONIA JI/PM SIR/RM SIR & ALL CHIEFS
ReplyDeleteDE-GRADATION OF ARMY AND UP-GRADATION OF CIVIL[IAS/IPS]
1. THE ONE RANK ONE PAY ANNOUNCEMENT IS A MISLEADING & IS INCORRECT , THE BABUS HAVE AGAIN PLAYED THE TRICK. IT IS A MODIFIED PARITY
2. A CAT CASE Cat case pre-2006 WHICH HAS BEEN CLEARED BY SC ,
BUT GOVT HAS GONE FOR APPEAL .Case W.P. 1535/2012 Reg: Appeal against Judgment of CAT Delhi (in OA 655-2010) reg. Modified Parity for Pre-2006 Pensioners, came up before a new Bench (of Hon'ble Justice Badar Durrez Ahmad and Hon’ble Justice Siddharth Mridul) at item. 13) in Delhi High Court on 17.7.2012[It was adjourned for hearing on 29th November, 2012.
THIS CASE LIKE RANK PAY IS ALMOST CLEAR. BABUS WILL NOT DELAY AT ALL AS IT IS BENEFICIAL TO THEM & IT WILL BE APPLICABLE TO ARMED FORCES TOO,BEING AN ANOMALY[ THIS IS AS GOOD AS OROP] NO PROBLEM OF MONEY OR WORK LOAD WILL BE POSED BY BABUS BECAUSE IT EFFECTS THEM.
3.SO IN ANY CASE WE WILL BE BENEFITED, BUT YOU & YOUR GOVT+PARTY WILL LOOSE ITS CREDIT THAN IT WILL BE TOO LATE.[SERVICE + PENSIONER WILL BE BENEFITED DUE TO WRONG FITMENT OF PAY SCALE]
4..ARMY COMES TO RESCUE OF CIVIL AUTHORITY[IAS/IPS ] ON THEIR FAILURE IN NAME OF AID TO CIVIL POWER.
5.THE ARMED FORCES WERE PAID HIGHER PAY & PENSION [PENSION USED TO BE 75 % OF PAY, AS APPLICABLE IN OTHER COUNTRIES] NOW THE PENSION HAS BEEN REDUCED TO 50%.
6.However, this was arbitrarily and without any justification changed by 3rd CPC in 1973.
7.The RAJYA SABHA Committee opined that the Govt has TAKEN an ill considered decision,.Ex Servicemen Discontent is Disturbing . legitimate and fair demand of OROP be accepted..Rajya Sabha Petition Committee strongly recommended its sanction and implementation OF OROP.cotd>
8.PM/FM/RM/LOK SABHA/RAJYA SABHA ALL HAVE ACCEPTED ONE ONE RANK PENSION BUT A CABINET UNDER SECRETARY HAS REJECTED IT.
ReplyDeleteIS UNDER SECRETARY ABOVE ALL THE AUTHORITIES & GOVT WHO HAVE ACCEPTED ,OROP, SUCH A PERSON SHOULD BE PUNISHED & SENT HOME.
HE IS SOWING SEEDS OF DISCONTENTMENT IN FORCES.
FORCES DO NOT HAVE UNIONS ,BUT NO WHERE IN THE WORLD UNDER PAID ARMIES HAVE WON. THE SITUATION IS MORE CRITICAL NOW .CHINA HAS ENCIRCLED US FROM POK>ADVANCED IN LADAKH>ADVANCED IN ARUNACHAL>ADVANCED IN SEA .TIES WITH SRI LANKA,BHUTAN & NOW NEPAL. THUS UNMANAGABLE FRONT WILL BE THERE FOR INDIAN FORCES TO DEFEND.
A] THE STATE NOW IS NO BETTER THAN 1962 ,THAT TIME LATE PT NEHRU COULD NOT UNDER STAND EVIL DESIGN OF CHINA & WE PAID HEAVY PRICE,
B] LATE MADAM INDRA GANDHI UNDER STOOD & BOOSTED MORALE OF ARMY & GAVE PERKS TO ARMY, SHE GOT NAME IN HISTORY CREATED BANGLA DESH.
C] NOW UNDER SONIA JI & PM IS THE CHALLENGE, BUT BABUS HAVE PLACED
CURTAIN & BOTH ARE UNAWARE THE REAL MISERIES OF SERVING ?EX SERVICEMEN. THE HISTORY REPEATS ,IF NOW YOU DO NOT WAKE UP ,THE SITUATION WILL GO BEYOND CONTROL. THIS HAS BEEN CLEARLY TOLD BY NAVAL CHIEF TO RECENT TIME BOUND COMMITTEE. EVEN HON'BLE RM TOO HAS
CONVEYED SAME TO PM SIR.
D] EVEN THEN NEITHER OROP HAS BEEN GIVEN NOR PAY REVISION OF 6 th CPC HAS BEEN DONE,. ASTONISHINGLY EVEN NFU STATUS FOR TIME SCALE HAS NOT BEEN GIVEN. TO DAY ARMY IS LOWEST PAID & AT ABNORMALLY LOW STATUS. WITH MORALE IN BOOTS NO ARMY CAN WIN,BUT HOW DOES EFFECT THESE BABUS.
9.The Defence Personnel have suffered thrice over[THREE PAY COMMISSIONS ERODED THEIR PAY/PENSION/STATUS ]; The pension of Defence highest rank has increased only 45 times, that of civilian highest rank it has increased 108 times). THE COL[SELECTION]/BRIG GOT MERE INCREASE OF 30 TIMES.There is just no justification for the same.
10.IN IAS/IPS & CLASS -I OFFICER ARE DRAWING the pay of Addl Secretary Lt Gen(GP Rs 12000/- in 32 yrs of service by virtue of their service being Organised Gp A Service.
11, COL [TIME SCALE] SHOULD BE PLACED IN SUPER TIME SCALE ,AS IN CASE OF IAS/IPS & OTHRES.
ReplyDeleteSuper Time Scale (Senior Administrative Grade)(Pay-Band-4)
Joint Commissioner of Police
37,400-67,000 plus grade pay of 10,000
Inspector General of Police,Commissioner of Police(City), Joint Secretary if empanelled as such (R) Cabinet Secretariat(GOI)
Super Time Scale (DIG/Conservator Grade)(Pay-Band-4)
Additional Commissioner of Police
37,400-67,000 plus grade pay of 8900
Deputy Inspector General of Police,Commissioner of Police(City), Director (R) Cabinet Secretariat (GOI)
Selection Grade(Pay-Band-4)
Deputy Commissioner of Police if in the Selection Grade
37,400-INR67,000 plus grade Pay of 8700
Senior Superintendent of Police, Director (R) Cabinet Secretariat (GOI)
Junior Administrative Grade(Pay-Band-3)
Deputy Commissioner of Police, also designated as Senior Superintendent in certain States such as UP and Punjab
15,600-39,100 plus grade pay of 7600
Superintendent of Police,Deputy Secretary (R) Cabinet Secretariat (GOI)
Senior Time Scale (Pay-Band-3)
Deputy Commissioner of Police / Additional Deputy Commissioner of Police
15,600-39,100 plus grade pay of 6600
Additional Superintendent of Police - if placed as such
Junior Time Scale(Pay-Band-3)
Assistant Commissioner of Police
15,600-39,100 plus grade pay of 5400
Deputy Superintendent of Police,Circle Officer, Senior Field Officer (R) Cabinet Secretariat (GOI)
TO ADD FURTHER A DIG WAS ONE TIME JUNIOR TO Lt COL
Colonel has been equated with Non-Functional Selection Grade (NFSG). The rank of a DIG who was till date between a Lt Colonel and a Colonel is now officially equal to a Brigadier. Both are now on a Grade Pay of Rs 8900.
DIG HAS BEEN PUT AT PAR WITH BRIG
[IT IS WORTH MENTIONING THAT POLICE HAS GONE ONE RANK UP ALREADY DURING COAS MALHOTRA TIME. HE DID HIS BEST TO REVERSE POLICE ACTION, BUT COULD NOT DO SO & DID NOT UPGRADE RANK OF HIS FORCES.NOW FURTHER DEGRADATION & MOD/ARMY IS NOT REACTING
TO-DAY BRIG EQUAL IS TO ONLY DIG[ WHO IS JUNIOR TO COL] IN INTER-SE SENIORITY
SO COL HAS NOW BECOME JUNIOR TO DIG , COMMAND & CONTROL STRUCTURE WILL RUPTURE IN AID TO CIVIL POWER/RR/ BORDER ROADS EXTRA DIFFERENCE OF PAY SCALE OF COL[S] VS LT COL [TS/S] WIIL BE COL LTS] =59400-58090=1310- INCOME TAX @20%+CESS 3%=RS .777/
AS THERE IS HARDLY ANY DIFFERENCE IN TAKE HOME PAY OF COL [TS] & COL [SELECTION]. SO WHY BOTHER ATTITUDE WILL PREVAIL.MOREOVER NO /ZERO DIFFERENCE IN PENSION THAN WHY SLOG & GET KILLED OR INJURED WHEN NO BENEFITS / REWARD FOR
12. COL [SELECTION GRADE] SHOULD BE ABOVE SUPER TIME SCALE,/IPS]
ReplyDelete[THAT IS IN HAG SCALE AS APPLICABLE TO IAS /IPS & OTHERS,
Police Service officers Pay according to 6th PayCommission (Official Indian Govt. Page) |access date=2010-04-26}}
Grade
Position In The State Government(s)
Pay Band[clarification needed]
Equivalent Position or Designation In the State Government(s) or Government Of India (GOI)
Above Super Time Scale (Apex Scale)
Commissioner of Police (State)
80,000 (fixed) plus grade pay-Nil
Director General of Police - Only one cadre post, all other DGPs are in HAG + scale of Rs 75,500-80,000, Director (GOI),Director General (GOI),Secretary (R) Cabinet Secretariat (GOI)
Above Super Time Scale (HAG)(Pay-Band-4)
Special Commissioner of Police
67,000-79,000
Additional Director General of Police,Commissioner of Police (City), Special or Additional Director (GOI), Special or Additional Secretary (R) Cabinet Secretariat(GOI)
13. THERE ARE THREE HAG SCALE SO PLACE THREE CATEGORY OF SELECTION GRADE ACCORDINGLY COL[SELECTION]BRIG ,MAJ GEN & PLACE LT GEN IN HAG + SCALE AS DESIRED BY PM IN FORMATION OF COMMITTEE.
14. KINDLY ACT FAST BEFORE SC JUDGEMENT AS MENTIONED ABOVE.PLEASE NOTE IF YOUR GOVT/ CONGRESS MISSES THIS GOLDEN TIME,THEN BJP WILL EN CASH ALL YOUR HARD WORK .WE WILL STILL GET OUR DUES BY SC>BJP.
LET CONGRESS KA HATH BE ARMY KE SAATH,.KINDLY SHUN BABUS THEY ALL READY LANDED YOU IN SO MANY SCAMS ,THE RECENT ONE IN MAHARASTRA IS RS 72000 CRORE FOR BENEFIT OF FEW & RS 4000 CR FOR OROP IS PEA NUT
14. I understand Chankya said to his king" your kingdom is doomed if and when our soldier has to ask for his dues".
One Rank One Pension’: Why the BJP supports Ex-Servicemen’s demand
ReplyDelete1. The ‘One Rank One Pension’ issue has been raised before both the V and VI pay commissions.
2. The issue is about the considerable disparity in pension between pensioners that retired pre 1996, between 1996-2006 and post 2006.
3. The tying up of pensions with the last drawn pay is applied universally to both civilian and defence personnel.
4. Since the pay scales were revised by the V and VI pay commissions, the tie up with the last drawn pay had widened the disparity in pensions (as referred in the note)
5. But for the senior officers in both the Officers cadre (e.g. Lt. General) and PBOR (Personnel Below Officers Rank) cadre (e.g. Honorary Captain), the pensions are based on rank and not on the last drawn pay.
6. The V pay commission, in 1996, has recommended parity in pension between pre and post 1986 pensioners. This was a follow up to the KP Singh Deo report in 1984 and a One Time Increase in 1992 towards bringing parity in pensions. But the V pay commission’s recommendations on the pension of ‘post 1996’ retirees, was still tied to the last drawn pay.
7. The V pay commission has also made provisions for neutralization of price rise.
8. The VI pay commission has given a ‘fitment benefit’ to all retired employees, both civilian and defense, to partially compensate for the disparities in the pre 2006 and post 2006 retirees.
9. Also in order to compensate for the reduced employment of defence personnel period a ‘year weightage’ is included in calculation of benefits.
10. Due to the widening disparity, the note asks for pay to be not tied to the last drawn pay but to the rank thereby making all future increases applicable to existing pensioners also.
11. It is a highly emotive issue, since the soldiers retain their titles post retirement and the financial benefits accruing to them is determined by the retirement date.
12. Fiscal outlay for implementing the ‘One Rank One Pension’ is going to be modest -- only in the order of Rs.1500 crores.
Considering the fact that the soldiers serve the best years of their lives in defense of the country in life threatening environments and retiring early, the ‘One Rank One Pension’ demand deserves to be implemented in an expedient way to honor our soldiers. A future BJP-led government, if elected, will implement this demand without any delay.
Yes Honorary Commissioned Officers are covered in the govt orders extract as follows:
ReplyDelete"II. Enhancement of Family Pension :
(i) The pension of pre - 1.1.2006 family pensioners(Commissioned Officers, Honorary Commissioned Officers, JCOs/ORs ) be stepped up based on the minimum of the fitment table instead of the minimum of the Pay Band;........"
Respected Sir,
ReplyDeleteVery Deep regards
I am ex Sub Maj/Hony Lt Pankaj jain retired on 30 Apr 2012. I was granted Hy Lt rank after retirement. May I request you that Hony rank of Lt granted after retirement may also be considered under OROP like Hony Nb Sub is granted financial benefits. No monetary benefit is accorded , who gets Hony Lt rank from Sub Maj after retirement, only CSD facilities are extended of Lt, which has got no value until finanacial benefits is accorded.
May I request you to be kind enough to confirm me weather above point of Hy Lt after retirement is being considered or otherwise. I am very anxious and humble request you to please confirm. My mail address
silveraj_21@yahoo.co
With warm regards